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Article on slapping

[Moldeeside]

ooof !! have some of that sir.
I thought something awful was going to happen in that last clip to that girl so nice to see a tiny lass knocking a big mo`fo right over on his bum.

[Karl]

here's some more interesting clips on slapping,the first one is reminds we of the diskus thrower

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/ivgnh-LzeeY&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/ivgnh-LzeeY&rel=0</a>


and the classic double hip from a younger version of Peter Consterdine he talks alot of sense


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/nvJoMNupyAE&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/nvJoMNupyAE&rel=0</a>

[Moldeeside]

never seen peter in action before, nice straighforward stuff and he certainly gets some power into those slaps.
When he hooked his thumbs in his belt loops i thought he was going to confuse and distract geoff by doing some classic status quo headbanging moves but sadly not.

looks like mid 80s that mate, I`ll have a quid on 1984?

[Karl]

and more

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/3-Q_DvSgkNo&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/3-Q_DvSgkNo&rel=0</a>



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/tFkaZaSVG-U&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/tFkaZaSVG-U&rel=0</a>

[Karl]

wow I never even new this existed its from back in the day I was training with the Dennis Martin and the Gutterfighters about 4 years ago some really good guys there. I basically made the power slap my own and it helped a lot of people and I'm sure it still does,early on id never seen this type of strike used so i offered to help people build power using the same mechanics

<a href="http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=2855251308994177387" target="_blank">http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=2855251308994177387</a>

i got a lot of criticism for this strike telling me it would never work turns out its very similar to what Martin Cooper and Salvo teach at the ESDS and IPDTA there material is very good basic and to the point designed to be learnt in a day i think ive got some footage from some scenarios somewhere showing how the "Bearpaw" work very well for what it was designed for preemption and an all out attack,with the paw i always went for the one shot kill

I was more focused on one side repeated power shots mixing hooking slaps and whipping slaps from lots of directions and found it very effective it suited me well early on,when i first start it was all about building just one strike with KO power

I also found out that my good friend Dennis Jones used a very similar whipping slap to very good effect and he used much better mechanics to build more power,he told me he found the slap most useful particularly for multiple opponents he also showed me how to position myself right for the shot,i notice he launches it higher to come over the arms.

Dennis has been there and done and perfected what ive searched for since my training started and i simply cant fault it,Its Excellent

Ill search out those old clips of the Bearpaw failing miserably.....yer right to be honest the problem i had at the beginning with it was my positioning and the way i was training it. I think id just about sorted that when i did the scenarios with the boys up in Blackpool ill sort out some of my old Bearpaw tests

here's the clips with some scenarios from the excellent ESDS and the IPDTA and the old knockout clip

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/vTZRGRFEFoE&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/vTZRGRFEFoE&rel=0</a>

and here's a link to the ESDS/IPDTA
http://ipdta.org.uk/

 

[Pancho Sullivan]

 

Ill search out those old clips of the Bearpaw failing miserably.....yer right Cool to be honest the problem i had at the beginning with it was my positioning and the way i was training it

 Yes you are right and I was always perplexed as to how you could deliver it without the opponent being aware of the raised hand.It was a recipe for getting into a tangle.But after seeing what Dennis was doing and how he positioned himself things became clear.If you stand offset to someone with the hand at the side your intention is well concealed and the hand travelling up the back of the body is blind to the opponent and by the time he has seen it its gathered enough momentum for him not to be able to react in time.Plus doing it this way increases the power as the arm has more time to build up speed.

[Karl]

Good to hear from you tony

I also developed the hooking slap more using the similar mechanics giving me more delivery options,i use a hooking paw on the clip at the 20 sec mark,giving me whipping and hooking shots this was what i called "bearpaw concepts" basically trying to slap from any angle

another thing i found interesting was in a preemt situation i used the drop step,in a more dymamic situation i never used it at all i tended to step slightly like i do now

[Karl]

in this clip at just over a minute you can see me using the bearpaw, its very similar to what i was showing in the google clip

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/0AwpOFPmQ-Q&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/0AwpOFPmQ-Q&rel=0</a>

[Karl]

Yes you are right and I was always perplexed as to how you could deliver it without the opponent being aware of the raised hand.It was a recipe for getting into a tangle.But after seeing what Dennis was doing and how he positioned himself things became clear.If you stand offset to someone with the hand at the side your intention is well concealed and the hand travelling up the back of the body is blind to the opponent and by the time he has seen it its gathered enough momentum for him not to be able to react in time.Plus doing it this way increases the power as the arm has more time to build up speed

exactly


Dennis's way of slapping takes a little longer to deliver than I used to with the Bearpaw and his hand actually lifts his hand higher but because he’s off set or hidden it’s not a concern and it’s also more powerful than the bearpaw. Another big difference is Dennis doesn’t throw it from a stance.

When you look at the Google clip you can see the whipping of the arm is very similar however I kept my hand as low as possible for the pre-emptive shot to try and address the flashing of the hand but to be honest I don’t think people react that quick anyway.
 
Here’s a gif of Dennis doing a hooking slap similar arm motion the hooking slap I pointed out before(old school clip 20 sec)but he’s stepping in with better mechanics, you can see it’s very similar to my hook shot on the second gif

I'm basically using the exact mechanics he uses only he does it better

[Karl]

Here's another clip of the slap,this one is a woman slapping a policeman in Hong Kong,notice how it effects the officer

http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1264806814/Dumb_Woman_Slaps_Hong_Kong_Cop_After_She_Caused_Accident

[moldeeside]

that looks like nothing yet you can see how a nice relaxed hand properly landed makes his head do a full quarter turn and its either shock as in surprise, or making his brain rotate as steve morris explains in some depth, but either way he ends up on the floor holding his head.

And considering the cameras and lights were on, you wouldn`t tend to fall down from something unless you had to because you wouldnt want to look daft, he really looked stunned as if he`d been poleaxed.

Women and ale, mighty dangerous combination.

[Karl]

Here's an excellent example of the slap,and set up very nicely for the KO, notice the small step before delivery and how he stands to one side and also puts himself in more of a bladed stance alowing for more torque in the strike with out the pull back some very nice positioning and in my eyes a very nice delivert of a pre-emtive strike

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/RYAUB8SmN6g&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/RYAUB8SmN6g&rel=0</a>

[moldeeside]

good work, and noticed there is quite a gap between first and second shot so he stayed nice and calm rather than go berserk.
I personally would have liked the other bloke to win purely on the strength of the excellent sleeveless top and casual stance with feet crossed while leaning against the railing. He looked incredibly cool looking at the floor, right up to the moment the first shot landed and he ended up limbo dancing over the bar.

to quote mike tyson `everyone has a plan until they get hit in the face`

not quite up there with socrates or any of the classic french philosophers but he`s right.

[Karl]

Im not sure if the other guy even new there was even a problem,but you can see by the attackers demeaner that hes stalking

that was a very nice slap but i wouldnt call it bitch slap,a bitch slap tends to wipe across the surface with just the fingers landing like this

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/TuyaCtIEpL4&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/TuyaCtIEpL4&rel=0</a>

but put in your bodywieght and land with the meat of your hand (the palm) and send the energy into the target and you get a result like the one above this clip

The way he set it up was very interesting but he left himself open if the other guy attacked first,Dennis showed us a very similar set up at the seminar but he used the other hand to attack from a similar stance(the opposite to the guy in the post) keeping his other hand up to protect from or just disrupt any shots if the other guy throws first,Heres the clip were dennis explains the set up,you will notice he steps off and blades his body very similar to the guy in the clip, but uses the other hand
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/uR0yOcH8HCI&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/uR0yOcH8HCI&rel=0</a>

I also think if the guy attacked was watching the other guys feet he would have seen the guy go into a stance before he hit,when dennis sets it up its a lot smoother with no fixed stance to get into the position for delivery is just like walking,I accually think that this is one of the big differences that sets Dennis's stuff apart from a lot of styles out there,once you understand it you cant understand why everyones not doing it


 

[Martyn]

"I also think if the guy attacked was watching the other guys feet he would have seen the guy go into a stance before he hit."

Not only WAS he watching his feet,he even pointed to them change position!!

I think that worked more due to the big stoner's stupidity than the power or set up of the shot,fookin funny though

P.S. I think that was staged anyway,he forgot to close his hand when he hit him.