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Paddy Monaghan, master samuel kwok and wing chun

[moldeeside]

Paddy Monaghan was the bare knuckle middleweight champion of the world, and undefeated in 114 documented fights. He was also the organiser of muhammad ali`s fan club in britain and campaigned tirelessly for ali when he was stripped of his titles. Paddy was also mates with Lenny McLean and some right rascals.

anway.

On his website it says that paddy was taught a particular wing chun punch by master samuel kwok, and he credits this shattering blow for much of his success.

Now I know the irish aren`t above a bit of blarney, but paddy really seems to value master kwoks advice very highly. and a bareknuckle champ of his standing wouldn`t tend to give credit away unless it was for real.

Is there a particular wing chun punch which generates great power, or is it more a matter of using the focus and concentration of wing chun practice to land your shots?

[Pancho Sullivan]

  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/kDnm0YiNfcA&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/kDnm0YiNfcA&rel=0</a>

 Looks very powerful to me.

[moldeeside]

a couple of those intercepting knee kicks look bloody painful.

I can`t honestly tell how the power is being generated, it doesn`t look like the rapid punching carries much impact, yet he`s advised an irish bareknuckle champ on power generation and it`s worked.

I`ll have to remain confused for a while longer mate.

[Karl]

I'm yet to be convinced that Wing hun has what I class as powerful punches and I don't see any in that clip

but It would be interesting to find out exactly which punch he was taught?

for you mol Id times anything you seen in the clip x 10 and you wont be far of what you're doing good solid kinetic chain will always be better than any particular style

[moldeeside]

thanks mate, it got me thinking watching the clip that Den is a very skilled wing chun bloke and also happens to hit very very hard, but I`d say thats more down to being very simplistic and focussed on what needs doing rather than trying to do a particular move.

At the seminar even when Den was doing some fairly flowing moves he was putting an awful lot of power into them, as if it was an effort to push the air around. I don`t know if thats standard for wing chun or just his take on things?

I find some of the traditional martial arts truly interesting but for myself I`d stick to one or two tried and trusted moves in a real fight, then maybe study other things for general interest or fitness rather than trying to make them suit a real life encounter.

Good stuff ! Hope you`re all well

Mol

[Pancho Sullivan]

 Karl wrote

I'm yet to be convinced that Wing hun has what I class as powerful punches and I don't see any in that clip

 I have discussed this with Dennis in the past and in his opinion Wng Chun evolved out of the environment of Hong Kong.Possibly Wing Chun is best way of delivering effective strikes in that environment.In Hong Kong challenge matches were often held on roofs and balconies so using bodyweight in the way Dennis does could be dangerous as you might end up going over the edge.Seems a sound theory to me and its always worth looking at the environment an art evolved in when trying to analyse it.

 Mol wrote

At the seminar even when Den was doing some fairly flowing moves he was putting an awful lot of power into them, as if it was an effort to push the air around. I don`t know if thats standard for wing chun or just his take on things?

 It s more of a tai chi concept.Dennis has practiced tai chi for many years so the movement gets carried over into other things.Its what seperates Mick Coup from the rest of the self protection crowd.To the best of my knowledge he dosen't practice tai chi but the same concepts are there in the initial stages of the training.Its the best way of training new neural pathways and surprsingly the slow training eventually leads to more speed and power than if you tried to train fast from the word go.After a long period of practice you can sit in a chair and go through the movement in your mind and the muscles involved in the action start twitching.

 

I find some of the traditional martial arts truly interesting but for myself I`d stick to one or two tried and trusted moves in a real fight,

 Of course this makes sense but they can be improved by training them in the above way.


 

[Karl]

After a long period of practice you can sit in a chair and go through the movement in your mind and the muscles involved in the action start twitching.

I've trained like this from the start visualisation is very beneficial,but can be a problem if you do it while you're falling asleep and the missus is next to you...ay martyn?